Post by flippyxtrem on Jun 10, 2005 20:21:44 GMT -5
Well I dont mean to be ignorant but I think the Latin Americans Involved are not enough to fit into this mod.
I am Sioux...and it would be cool to see the Apaches have there part to play in a ACW game being part of the Texas Cavalry...however there numbers are to few and the amount of "Unique Units" in this mod are few...and I agree with Ash that there are more deserving units than even the Latin Americans and American Indians
So im not trying to be a racist or inconsiderate of the many cultures involved at the time in our American Civil War but this was a time when people were racist to one another and the Germans would want to staty with the German "nationality" regiments and the Italians would want to stay with their "nationality" regiments...etc etc
Im really feeling for you LBG but I have to disagree friend and I even disagree about having the Apache Cavalry that fought with Texas during the War...its just to small and we dont have enough space for all these great units to be fit into this mod...
many repsects to you LBG and your research
Last Edit: Jun 10, 2005 20:22:44 GMT -5 by flippyxtrem
I'm very sorry to say, but thats BULL CRAP! Why is there space for Itialians, and not Mexican/hispanics, (we dont consider ourselves latin americans) We were a Majority and still are! Why do u guys still deny this? there was no small amount of hispanics, hells no, many hispanics joined and served and DIED for each side, in New Mexico, Californa, Texas, Navada, Arizona, Ohio ect, why not give them some aknowledgement that these people served with great distinction as people from other races. I see why not! very disapointed that this is the gratitude we(my self) get.
"I would rather die on my feet, then to live a lifetime on my knee's" General Emilliano Zapata
Post by flippyxtrem on Jun 10, 2005 20:55:11 GMT -5
LBG your flippin out...and you dont want to be a flippy
your to good for that
you have my repsects LBG, your playing down cards for a seperate issue...I myself is not putting down Latin Americans but rather just saying the UNIT itself doesnt have a place in this MOD because it is so small
this has nothing to do with the "nationality of the regiment" or atleast that is my intentions of the matter
it is just about the limited *unique* units available to the game...and my thoughts are that the Tejanos during the Civil War dont make the qualification line.
Last Edit: Jun 10, 2005 20:56:17 GMT -5 by flippyxtrem
All of the units on that page are real units with accurate flags and uniforms... I have spent more years looking at plates of uniforms and reading the various Osprey books and such than I care to admit:)
And I hate to say, but I have never heard of a predominantly Tejano regiment. Historians who do things like uniform research tend to avoid bias and simply provide examples of different units, no matter where they fought. While certain nationalities are famous for their units (The Irish Brigade immediately springs to mind, as it was one of the most famous units of the entire war) I have to admit, in 20 plus years of reading and research, in book after book, including books that focus on all parts of the country, I have never heard of a Latino/Tejano regiment (please do excuse me if I am not using proper terminology!)
The units I plan to include are the most famous ones.... Wheats Tigers, The Irish Brigade, The Iron Brigade... and I would gladly accept a unit that you find of this sort of acclaim, but quite frankly, I have heard of most of the units that achieved this kind of fame. These are units that are deeply rooted in the history of the United States, units that are heavily represented in reenacting, and units that have book after book dedicated to them. While I KNOW neither Flip nor I mean to sound like we are dismissing the contributions of Mexican Americans to the Civil War, I am fairly certain that if there was a unit that was of the fame of the major units (Lee's Virginians) I would be familiar with them.
On an aside, a friend of mine recently bought a great letter from Meagher (the commander of the Irish) on original Irish letterhead, introducing the unit surgeon to another officer. It is an AMAZING piece... the unit crest is BEAUTIFUL. The auction house that sold it said it was the finest piece of Irish Brigade communication they had ever seen:)
Anyway, LBG, please dont feel we are being dismissive... but I know about 10000 times more about the Civil War than Napoleonic or the American Revolution, west or east, and I am not sure there is a Tejano/Latino unit that was acclaimed enough to push its way into the tiny number of elite units planned for the game.
I have no idea what kind of info u need, but here is more:
# The Civil War When the Civil War broke out, the Mexican-American community was divided in loyalty. Approximately 1,000 joined the Union Army and another 2,550, the Confederate Force. # By the end of the war, as many as 9,900 Mexican-Americans fought. Most served in the regular army or volunteer units which were integrated. Some, however, served in predominately Mexican- American units with their own officers. Of the 40,000 volumes written about the Civil War, only one, Vaqueros in Blue and Gray, has been written about their contribution. # In 1863, the U.S. government established four military companies of Mexican-American Californians (the First Battalion of Native Cavalry) to utilize their "extraordinary horsemanship." At least 469 Mexican-Americans served under Major Salvador Vallejo, helping to defeat a Confederate invasion of New Mexico. (18:14-15) - Colonel Miguel E. Pino established the Second Regiment of New Mexico Volunteers. At least six independent militia companies commanded by Mexican-Americans were raised in New Mexico. Approximately 4,000 Mexican-Americans volunteered in these companies. # In Texas, the Union established 12 Mexican-American companies (the First Regiment of Texas Cavalry). By and large, the officers were non-Hispanic, although there were some Mexican Texans serving as captains and lieutenants. # David G. Farragut was the most famous Union Hispanic. When he was nine years old he was appointed as a midshipman in the U.S. Navy. At 13 he served aboard the USS Essex during the War of 1812. In 1862, he successfully commanded Union forces and captured the city of New Orleans. In the Battle of Port Hudson (135 miles north of New Orleans) Farragut's tactics for attacking forts gained accolades. After orchestrating the capture of Mobile, Alabama, Farragut was commissioned Admiral of the Navy on July 26, 1866. He then took command of the European Squadron and while in the Mediterranean, he visited the birthplace of his father in Ciudadela, Minorca, where he received a hero's welcome. # Colonel Santos Benavides was the highest ranking Mexican- American in the Confederate Army. He was one of the first to take up arms and one of the last to surrender. # Loretta Janet Velasquez, a Cuban-born woman, enlisted in the Confederate Army in 1860, masquerading as a man, without her soldier husband's knowledge. She fought at Bull Run, Ball's Bluff, and Fort Donelson, but was detected while in New Orleans and discharged. Undeterred, she re-enlisted and fought at Shiloh until unmasked once more. She then took duty as a spy, working in both male and female guise. Her husband died during the war and she married three more times, widowed in each instance. She later traveled throughout the West settling in Austin, Nevada.