Some useful morale info

[[GG]AndrewKent]

This came off of a board somewhere, but I can't remember where, so I can't give proper credit.

AndrewKent, nee ntw15, nee ges, nee GG wannabe

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Units moral can determine the difference between total victory or defeate. I will now put up a list that can help to calculate moral.


Moral State / Moral Value Range

Impetuous 10 and above
Steady 2 to 14
Uncertain -5 to 5
Wavering -14 to -5
Routing Less than -6

Penalty Factors

Disordered or Loose Formation
units in loose formation or in disorderd ranks suffer -2 moral

Outnumberd By Enemy Forces
2 to 1 Suffer -4 moral
10 to 1 Suffer as large as -12
Also factored is quality and speed of enemy too.

Threats To Flanks
-2 moral penalty if one flank is threatened
-6 moral penalty if 2 flanks or 1 flank and rear is threatened
-4 moral penalty if charged into flank
-6 moral penalty if infantry is charged into flank by calvery
-8 moral penalty if hidden unit is charged into flank

Generals Death
-8 moral penalty
then only -2 moral penaly after a few secounds
(dosen't apply to highly disciplined units)

Routing Friends
up to -12 moral penalty if 2 units are routed
(only applys to units of equal or higher level of others)

Casualties
10% casualty rate suffer -2 moral
50% casualty rate suffer -8 moral
80% and higher casualty rate suffer -12 moral

Taking Enemy Fire
being shot at by missle suffer -2 moral
plus additonal -4 moral if shot at by weapons
that create fear

Skirmishing
missle units being pursued long distances as fast as they are suffer -6 moral
Moral drops by another -6 moral
if skirmishers run out of ammo

Fatigue
Very tired units suffer -3 moral
Exahsted units suffer -6 moral
Completely Exahsted units suffer -8 moral

Losing
up to -8 moral loss depending on how badly your lossing
For infantry losing to calvery another -6 moral is possible


Possitive Factors (now that the bad is out of the way)

Protected Flanks
+4 moral for flanks that are protected

No Retreat Possible (only in SP mode)
When troops fight in province that they can't escape from they all gain +8 moral

Rally/No Enemy Nearby (clicking rally button)
+8 moral for rallying
+4 moral with no nearby enemys

Enemy Routing
+8 moral when 2 enemy units are routed
+4 moral for outnumbering enemy troops

Uphill Position
+2 moral for being higher up hill than enemys

Winning
If a unit is winning it can get the highest moral bonus of +6

Impetuous Charge
+4 moral for unit that charges on its own

Outnumber Nearby Enemy
3 to 1 advantage +4 moral to nearby units

Valor
+2 moral for every point of valor

Proximity to General
units withing 50 meters of General gain +1 moral for every 2 stars the General has
Generals unit itself gains automatic +2 moral

Eaiser Game Settings (only in SP mode)
+4 moral to units when game is set on easy mode
+12 moral to units when moral realism setting is turned off


NON - ELITE or DISCIPLINED = Lose Morale if ANYONE Routs ( proximity matters I think ) and if the General is either Routed or Killed.

ELITE STATUS = Ignore Routers who are not Elite.

DISCIPLINED = Ignore Routers who are not Elite OR Disciplined ! AND ' Not Panicked by Death of General '.

BUT...ELITE Troops WILL lose Morale ONLY when ELITE Troops are Routed and the General either routs or dies ! .....BUT DISCIPLINED Troops will lose Morale when either ELITE or DISCIPLINED troops are Routed but NOT the General dying !! So it's a double edged sword because the ' Elite ' troops suffer more than the Disciplined ones if the General dies Oh man this can make your head spin

So the question now arises when modding units is...Which units should be Just Elite, which should be the better Disciplined and then which should be the ultimate BOTH Elite and Disciplined. In my opinion ( and I don't know enough about specialised National Troops...so this is just an overall semi-judgement ! ) in fact this knowledge helps alot when deciding final Pricing ! IMO, A rough GUIDE could look like this:

INFANTRY:

NOT ELITE or DISCIPLINED: Milita, Reserves, Rebels and all standard Line Infantry. ( which could mean a Costing's drop for LINE ? )

DISCIPLINED: Light Infantry, KGL Line and Light Infantry, Brunswickers and Highlanders.

ELITE and DISCIPLINED: Grenadiers, Young Guard, Rifles, Tirallieurs, Voltiguers and Rifles / Jaeger's.

ELITE: Guard Infantry, Middle Guard, Old Guard, Guard Rifles ( ie:Prussian ) and GreenJacket's.


CAVALRY:

Not ELITE or DISCIPLINED: Uhlans, Hussars, Chassuers, Dragoons, Saharan, Ottoman Light, Dutch and Brunswick Hussars and Dragoons.

DISCIPLINED: KGL Hussars, KGL Dragoons, French Lancers, , ALL Cuirassiers and Caribiniers, Camel's and Ottoman Cavalry.

ELITE: ALL Guard Hussars, Guard Dragoons, Guard Lancers, Guard Chassuers, English Hussars, Austrian Hussars, English Guard Dragoons, Polish Lancers, Royal Dragoons and French Guard Lancers.

ELITE and DISCIPLINED: ALL Guard Grenadiers, Lifeguards and Generals.

ARTILLERY: Hmmm most likely all DISCIPLINED.

[[GG]ThinRedLine]

Thank You Mr. Kent!

This is just the sort of thing I hope to see some more of here and in the Barracks.

This type of info. can really help raise the level of play and make this a better game for all of us, not just those of us who are into Modding and/or have gnome editor etc.

Again, I thank you sir, good to be able to see this here.

S!

[[GG]AndrewKent]

[quote author=[GG]ThinRedLine link=board=Glory&thread=1095822814&start=1#0 date=1095917472]Thank You Mr. Kent!

This is just the sort of thing I hope to see some more of here and in the Barracks.

This type of info. can really help raise the level of play and make this a better game for all of us, not just those of us who are into Modding and/or have gnome editor etc.

Again, I thank you sir, good to be able to see this here.

S![/quote]

My pleasure! Glad to be of service.

AndrewKent

[[GG]Remi]

wow, i didn't know how complex moral was factored in battle. I can apperticate this since it is the reason why some battles play out fairly realisticly as i can imagine.

[[GG]Lord von Döbeln]

S! Gentlemen!

For those of you who are curious about he exact stats for the different units (marching speed, combat bonuses, range, reload time etc.) I have put together data from different game files in an Excel sheet (or in a pdf file for those who don't have Excel). This makes it easy to compare different units so you know what to get when building/buying units.

The file consists of 2 pages:
In the first the units are listed as they are in the unit_prod file, mostly grouped by faction so it's easy to compare unit's within a faction.
In the second I have grouped the units according to type, i.e. all line infantry together, all light infantry together etc. to make it easier to compare similar units from the different factions.

The cavalry I grouped not according to military standard but in 4 groups more suited for gameplay IMO:

1. Uhlans/lancers
2. "Light" cavalry are those with armour < 5 and run speed > 22 I.e. fast
3. "Medium" cavalry are those with armour < 5 and run speed <= 22 I.e. slow(er)
4. Heavy Cavalry are those with armour >= 5 These are all slow

This means that for example different dragoons end up in different groups, but I think this grouping is good for comparisons in MP battles. But feel free to suggest other sorting criteria.

Let me know if you want a copy and I will gladly ;D send it to you.

S!
[GG]vD

[[GG]AndrewKent]

Sir vD,

Sounds wonderfully useful!

Please send me a copy at:

[e-mail]

S!

AndrewKent

[[GG]AndrewKent]

Don't forget this good stuff...these things really make a difference.

AK

[sirschwick]

Could you send me one as well please?

my e-mail is [e-mail]

sir_schwick

[[GG] Lord General Store]

Sir vD,

I could so use that!

I would love a copy, could you please send it to [e-mail]

Thanks

S!
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