Why dont the Russians have jagers?

[flippyxtrem]

These are Russian Jager Grenadiers...

The Russian Army had 57 regiments of jagers....why does NTW have the Russian Faction Jagerless?

IT BOGGLES MY MIND

not only did the russians have jagers but they had grenadier jagers...so they had a normal jager regiment then a uber jager regiment...kind of like the Prussians in ntw that have jager infantry and guard jager infantry...

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[[GG]Lord von Döbeln]

IMO all factions that historically had jaeger/rifle units should have it in the game, if for no other reason than MP game balance. A battle without jaegers vs jaegers is a frustrating one indeed!

[GG]vD

[flippyxtrem]

ntwgg.proboards26.com/index.cgi?board=times&action=display&thread=1107145025

For more information about Russian Jagers

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[[GG]Salis De Silver]

I agree, if they had them, then they should be there.

S!

[flippyxtrem]

WOW thats 5 votes

HAPPY FOR THE SUPPORT ;D

So what does everybody else think?

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[KHD|BloodnIron]

Of course russians should have jeagers. Especialy since everyone knows that they don't have them, its a terrible dissadvantage to be defending with them. Also the fact that having them would be historicaly accurate leaves no excuse for not having them

[[GG]Remi]

It would be well and good that the russians have jaegers but did they have rifles. As far as i know Jaeger only means light infantry not necessary being equipt with rifles.

[[GG] Lord Ashram]

S! all,

First off Flip, GREAT images you found, on this post and others. I love some of the historical stuff you find.

Second, Rem, I dont know if Russian jaegers have rifles... one of the chaps at the top has a bayonet attached to his firearm; did rifles have bayonets?

Third, I voted for "I dont care" not because I dont care, but because I actually am split. I DO think the Russians should have jaegers for two reasons: First, because all the other factions have them, so the Russians become very vulnerable (especially on defense) to a smart opponent with lots of rifles, and second, because if they DID have them, they should!

However, I also enjoy the fact that the Russians dont have jaegers because it gives them some character! Seriously, anyone who plays with the russians knows they dont have rifles to fall back on, which brings their line and lights to the front, which is GOOD! It gives the faction a nice different feel. In fact, I like that in the Eastern Alliance patch the French have no jaegers either; it makes a Russian/French battle simply more fun, with the light infantry being FAR more important.

So I voted "Dont care" while really meaning "Cant decide."

[[GG]Remi]

Well i decided to do a little research. It appears that the Russian arsenal was equip with rifles. However as too the extent of it's use, i am not too sure. I can not find anything saying "this unit had rifles" in the russian army. It's my guess the russians probably used them in small numbers dispersed throughout a company or a battalion but never dedicated a unit bigger then a platoon to specifically be equip with rifles.

[[GG]Salis De Silver]

Yes, I've been looking too, the thing is that they appear to be much the same as normal Line regiments, trained and equiped the same.

"Organisation
After the treaty of Tilsit in 1807 the organization of the Russian army was reformed, before that no higher permanent organisatorial body than the regiment had existed. The infantry was now formed into divisions of one Jäger brigade and two musketeer brigades (each brigade being made up of two regiments of two battalions). After 1811 Barclay de Tolly continued the reforms and among other things replaced the term "Musketeer" with "Infantry" and concentrated the Grenadier troops (hitherto organised in battalions that were part of the ordinary Musketeer regiments) into Grenadier Regiments and further into Grenadier Divisions. The number of Jäger regiments were continually increased between 1805 and 1811 but it is debateble whether there were any real difference between the Jäger Regiments and the "Ordinary" infantry as training and tactics were virtually the same."



Source www.fortunecity.com/victorian/riley/787/Napoleon/

[flippyxtrem]

well if you look at KGL Lights there were what? 2-3 regiments of them? and yet this small numbered amount has a slot on NTW...if the russians had around 57 regiments of jagers...something has to give...and if you read my post about the battle of Hoff you will see how there tactics are like that of jagers and line infantry..

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[HG|Lord Shand]

To settle this argument – how about this – we remove the KGL Lights altogether, as they’re not needed, and we rename the Russian Light infantry to Russian Jaegers, but no rifles – as there’s not enough evidence to support that they used them extensively!

HAPPY!?

[[GG] Lord Ashram]

I am all for getting rid of KGL lights... let the British lights take their proper place on the battlefield! However, renaming the Russian light as Jaegers may lead to a lot of confusion...



Ash

[flippyxtrem]

yes I agree Ash, I dont think that helps very much either

[WIDEBLADE]

I have not made a proper research but actually i think that just prussian and perhaps austrian armies{not sure if germen too} used rifles in numbers ,then the british implemented the green jackets and thats all ;but i can make a research ,i have some books at home about the theme.

Rifle was an expensive weapon at the time and needed well trained and capable men to manage it.